Lock Notes: August 2015

Tuesday, August 25, 2015

Lyon Double Sided Series (22?-181?)

[Author's note: #22 and #181 are the highest and lowest extreme we have had to work with and decode so far as of 11/10/11; please continue to update this as new information becomes available]

Cuts for Lyon #158: (Taylor# X118 [Ilco YH49])—23332

1^st Cut: .090

Spacing: .097

1-- .274

2-- .248

3-- .222

(Although X118 works on this lock once cut, it is wider than the original blank used by the Lyon Company [.279” for the Lyon original, .295 for the Taylor X118]; allow for this if duplicating or cutting by code [perhaps even narrow the blank by ~.008 on either side on the Framon])

New Finds:

2/28/11—

160—21113

196—21223

11/10/11—

022--22311 029--31121 042--13221 050—32321

053--33321 057--12131 065--31231 105—23312

107--11122 145--12232 150--33232 154—12332

181--22313

Tuesday, August 4, 2015

Wildoly D/S Desk Key

Here is an original Wildoly brand desk lock key:

This is a picture of what we put it on, stamped with their code number "422":

[Note: specs have not been noted for making these locks from scratch at the time of this writing (16Jul'15)]

The lock was not present when we attempted to duplicate this key (though hopefully the mills are wide [and sloppy] enough to allow it to go INTO the keyhole). Andy tried TWO methods to duplicate this key. The first one was modified on the Framon machine by cutting .015" off both sides of the key (making it .255" wide), then laying it flat in the HPC manual machine chucks (marked with an "F" on the other side).

The second was lined up by the mills of both keys on the HPC manual machine, lined up by the shoulders, and then cut normally.

If this doesn't work (as of 16Jul'15), hopefully Mr, Travous from the College of Pharmacy will be able to bring in the lock these go to so we can make whatever modifications are needed. Please make note of them here.

(Originally created 7/16/15 on the Evernote app)

National D/S Desk Key

This first picture is of a "001" double sided key for a National brand desk lock:

...and THIS is a picture of the key that was produced as a copy for it:

It seems duplication can be achieved by shaving ~.008" off of both sides of the blank (using the Framon machine, thus bringing the blank to a .260" width) and lining the original and key blank along the bottom of the chucks (similar to the Friant double sided keys). The cuts for "001", based on the Friant specs are 13122 (as we see more keys from this series arrive, please take note of the cuts where possible).

--jab

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Cyber Lock Keys

Due to the modifications that were still needed for this, it is (at this time) recommended that the price remain $4.99 per copy to make these.

In May of 2015, we received a request for copies of a key marked "CC822" for some podiums at BJC. A lock was brought in for us to test our copies (similar to the lock shown in the next two pictures; this one had a code of "CC0001").

The first time we tried Ilco #252/HD108; it was lined up on a manual machine and ground down on both sides to go in easier (originally charged $4.99 per copy).

The latest time (June of 2015), we tried some other blanks and found Ilco #X179/SUZ12 and #X256/YM47 will work when modified by 1) cutting ~.015 inches from both sides and 2) cutting down the shoulders, duplicating them on a manual machine [failure to cut down the shoulders will not allow the key to go in as far as they should]. After one is cut on these blanks, second generation copies can be made from these 1st generation ones by lining them up according to their side mills. Due to the modifications that were still needed for this, it is (at this time) recommended that the price remain $4.99 per copy to make these.

Also, it is good to note that Easy Keys (easykeys.com) has this series of keys and the blanks are available from them. If this becomes more popular, it may be time to order a sample or two and see if we can find a corresponding Ilco number.

--6/18/15

(Originally created 6/18/15 on the Evernote app)

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Chinese Scooter Notes

Below is a picture of a typical key for a Chinese Scooter/Pocket Bike:

(photo: copyright from http://www.pocketbikeparts.com/Key_Blank_key_p/gy6ky302327.htm)

According to some entries in the Chinese Scooter Club Internet forum [http://chinesescoots.forumwise.com/chinesescoots-post-131151.html], the YH37 (X69) blank can work in this (should be able to use the YH47/X119 blank as well based on the fact that I used them to fill an order for ten copies of a Kawasaki Mule key; we had 10 of neither but combined they came close...and both worked).

Also, from past experience I have seen the X103/KA14 (for Kawasaki) and sometimes the X121/DC3 and X54/DC1 (Old Mitsubishi).

Possible Key Blanks to Try:

(as more examples become available, let's try to make note of them)

X103
X69 or X119
X121 or X54

(Originally created 3/31/15 on the Evernote app)

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Security Brand Padlocks ("China" Special)

In both of the pictures below are a key to a "Security" brand padlock (made in China as noted by the label) and a National number D8788 key blank that was used to duplicate this successfully (an Ilco VR91A could have worked if ground down on both sides, but it would likely have taken more grinding than was required for the National blank). Whenever possible, continue to request the padlock for tryouts if at all possible (or for correction after the fact).

Update (8/27/15): Ilco #1069M has been discovered to work very well for this brand of padlock, not requiring the side grindings needed for the original National #D8788 or the Ilco #VR91A.

(Originally created 3/11/15 on the Evernote app)

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Deca Switch Keys

On 2Feb'15, the St Louis Public Library brought in a Deca brand light switch key to have duplicated. With some extra cutting (to make it the same length and height) and other TLC, we managed to make a duplicate of it using the Taylor/Ilco blank #184K (the blank normally sells for $5 each, with the extra work involved, for future transactions, it is best to charge $8 each).

(Originally created 2/2/15 on the Evernote app)

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Motorad Gas Cap Keys

Below is a sample key for the Motorad brand gas caps:

On Tuesday, 21Oct'14, we were presented with said sample key AND its corresponding gas cap. This next picture is what we used to duplicate it:

Another version of the original key has been seen which seems to be a mirror image of it. If one gets a chance to experiment and try duplicating it on an Ilco X246/HD105, please make note of its success or failure.

(Originally created 10/21/14 on the Evernote app)

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SB1 Golf Cart Keys

SB1 golf cart keys can use a Ilco# 1681 (FIC3) blank with the following specs:

1st Cut: .137
Spacing: .100
1. .255
2. .235
3. .215

(Whenever a brand/model/etc. of golf cart is found for this, please make note of it)

(Originally created 9/26/14 on the Evernote app)

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